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Poster: camomille Date: Dec 3, 2007 8:28am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Thinner and netlabels who care

For years now thinner has been providing quality music on the netlabel scene. But i just can’t control myself anymore and have to finally say that with their new blog and their ‘ netlabels who care ‘ series, they have surpassed their constant overall arrogance. Netlabels strive on quality and community. They are non-lucrative organisations made out of the love of music. It’s of course never a bad thing to be professional and serious of the projects you start, but please, to say that netlabels who don’t master their releases professionally, who don’t have shiny flash covers and generally feature talent not good enough for a recording contract, that’s horrible. A big slap in the face to the long-established netlabels like miasmah, kahvi, mono, kikapu and so on. Historically netlabels started in the tracking scene as groups of people who wanted to share good quality music for free, DIY style. Now it hasn’t changed ! As i said, there’s nothing wrong about being professional in your handling of your netlabel, but implying that if you don’t spend horrendous amounts of time mastering, making shiny actionscript covers and writing immense press releases is what makes your netlabel ‘ a netlabel who doesn’t care ‘ , then thinner, you have no fucking idea what the netlabel scene is about.

www.genshimedia.com/blog

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Poster: organic2000 Date: Dec 3, 2007 12:16pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

yes, of course! first music is soul and emotion, not professional production methods....but it woud be nice if there is a good idea AND a good mixdown. on our label everybody can release "good" music ;)

org
http://www.taktalsmittel.com

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Poster: cpmcdill [Webbed Hand] Date: Dec 3, 2007 7:29pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: netlabels who care

Your anger at a series of blog posts on Thinnerism's website seems disproportionate. Sebastian is not writing policy for Internet Archive, nor carving out a Ten Commandments for the netlabel scene. He's simply drawing attention to some labels he holds in a certain esteem.

It is no different from anyone else writing --for example-- a list of 10 best releases of 2007. Merely a selection from personal criteria, in essence an opinion piece. He holds netlabels to high standards because he holds his own label to such standards. While that may look like elitism or snobbery to some, it is his prerogative.

The "care" thing is just a catchy slogan. I think to start philosophizing about the implications is to make mountains out of molehills.

If he starts publishing lists of netlabels to avoid, then there will be grounds for complaint. But I'm personally looking forward to see future posts in the "Netlabels Who Care" series.

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Poster: camomille Date: Dec 3, 2007 8:01pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: netlabels who care

I'm sorry if this was interpreted as anger, it is not anger but discouragement or maybe disaprovement. As i said earlier i am not against people talking about stuff that they like, i'm just pointing the fact that thinner does it without any tact. The way they put it on the blog it is actually implicit that the rest of what they feature is to avoid.
i'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, i just think this should be adressed. thinner 100 is actually on my playlist quite often.

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Poster: cpmcdill [Webbed Hand] Date: Dec 3, 2007 8:16pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: netlabels who care

I do realize that many netlabels take pride in being very dirty and lo-fi in their productions. And logically the criteria that he named in the Netlabels would exclude many of those.

I suspect however that those who enjoy the raw and noisy work with the devil-may-care presentation would probably be instantly put off by the crisp aesthetic of Thinnerism, and Sebastian's essays would not influence them, if they even read that far.

Another thing to bear in mind: That series has only just begun, and he might very well have considered writing about the netlabels you named (miasmah, kahvi, mono, kikapu) and maybe even your own. At least, can you be sure that he wouldn't?

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Poster: camomille Date: Dec 3, 2007 8:36pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: netlabels who care

because none of them follow the strict criteria of a netlabel who cares.

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Poster: david turgeon Date: Dec 3, 2007 3:44pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

the bottom line in my mind, & the reason why i think thinner's project is misguided, is that i don't even think that regular listeners even care about most labels. listeners care about songs, they care about artists, but labels? good or bad, most labels are still just a vessel of promotion & information. so to focus on this or that label sort of misses the point, in my mind.

of course, some labels do attract listeners by their name alone, for example people might want to automatically download a thinner release no matter who the artist is, just because they already expect it to sound a certain way (note i'm not even talking about quality). it IS indeed useful to encourage listeners to get to know those labels. but that only works when you choose to walk a very strict stylistic ground. there are actually only a few netlabels which are not mostly eclectic & thus harder to "follow" (i'm counting my own label in there).

thinner should feel free to continue with their netlabel focus (who knows! maybe they'll do a camomille special one of these days...) but should it come at the price of making enemies in the process? yes, "labels who care" is a good tagline but ultimately anyone would resent to be a "label that doesn't care", as basically anyone left out from this blog series would conclude they are. i think sebastian needs to acknowledge at least that part.

another thing i want to point out is that, no matter how much we want to give ourselves a collective kick in the ass & get people all over the world to know about netlabels & the great music that we release, it doesn't seem constructive to ignore the inherently hodgepodge, DIY attitude that has served us so far. in fact it should be the other way around, & this DIY attitude should be something to be proud of & to display prominently when evangelizing about netlabels. this doesn't mean releasing crappy music & refusing mastering & flashy graphics. but it does mean respecting the plurality of approaches in the netlabel scene. the DIY attitude is basically what separates us from physical labels, it is what makes us gritty & real (no matter how slick the music is!).

another thing, i think this thread is actually quite revealing of many problems currently faced by netlabels, & if only for that, it's a great thing thinner inadvertedly started it. this kind of discussion is similar to others i've had in private in the past months. basically, things need to change but how it must change is still up in the air. more constructive exchanges like this one are needed.

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Poster: ElectroSound Date: Dec 4, 2007 1:41am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

As for me - I know, I am care :) About my site. And Thinner is care about his site. And a man that started yesterday his small but proud netlabel - he cares too...

And what Thinner says about how he cares... nothing matter, really!

It's all about PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW.

Thinner, Kahvi, ElectroSound, Musica Excentrica, Monotonik - hm, hello everybody! we all doing things we like the way we like - so let us do it how we like it.

An that is all, no need to argue musch about it. Be positive!

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Poster: LAJ Date: Dec 3, 2007 11:49am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

I only have a minor role in the Thinner operations having been writing release text/liner notes for Thinner/Autoplate the past year, so I can't speak for the label in general, but I hope that it wasn't implied that If you're not a "netlabel who cares", then you're one who doesn't. I know personally know that that's not the case spending as much time as I do listening to netaudio music.

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Poster: mo. Date: Dec 4, 2007 1:53pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

i think the general problem is, that thinner/sebastian redenz mixes two different things:

journalism and label-work

that's a delicate and not very good combination, in my view. i am a journalist, with projects like phlow and the netlabel catalogue i try to support the free music scene since 2000. of course nobody can be subjective but even music journalists try to be somehow objective and write from different point of views.

a label does promote, distribute (and sell) music. a label can't be really objective. because a label normally has a certain sound, supports a defined style of music. for instance i've never heard of a label which releases punk AND techno.

let's have a look on sebastian's approach:

he is the head behind thinner. he distributes music sorted out by his taste. he has to be subjective with thinner and does a good job for techno/house/experimental music.

now he writes also a new blog. this blog covers his experiences in the music scene. not all of you know, that sebastian works as a lecturer part-time.
the problem is obvious. you can't write a blog about music bizniz next to your label-work and name it after your old internet-url.

i would advise sebastian to open a new "label" / logo for his blog and run it separately. this avoids being accused doing favoritism and being arrogant.

it is difficult to accept, that someone who drives a netlabel, judges what netlabels are good, have to be supported and so on.

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Poster: Thinner/Autoplate Date: Dec 16, 2007 9:07am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

hello together,

thanks a lot for the feedback. while some comments relate to my definition and understanding of quality indicating criterias some objections also relate to my position and if it's ethical to write about what makes a good or a bad netlabel.

regarding my criterias, mastering or flash covers are no essential criterias to get into my radar, but they are a nice and supportive indicator that help me to value the offerings of the project and the artists featured for me, in my role as a consumer.

fragment, the label i presented first, has no flash covers yet i chose it because it's the overall impression i get when experiencing their website, their visual appearance and their musical talent.

other netlabels cited by vincent are planned features.

my intention is to guide people to netlabels i recommend.

also, i will not be able to present all netlabels i recommend and netlabels not to be featured are by all means not automatically bad netlabels.

expect updates to the series during the next 2 weeks and i look forward to continue the discussion in relation to a more extensive netlabel-related essay i'm currently working on.

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 3, 2007 8:19pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Hi,

No disrespect to camomille, but I think that you're taking Thinner's series WAY too personally. All they're doing are trying to throw the spotlight on netlabels THEY feel deserve. It's their personal opinion and who's to say that somewhere down the road Camomille wouldn't be the focus?

Personally, I feel that what they're doing is a good thing. A spotlight should be thrown on netlabels who up the professionalism, that's exactly what the site I run, blocSonic is about (I might add, we did include a Camomille track on netBloc Volume 1). In fact, I'm going to be implementing a feature in 2008 that will do something similar.

What we're seeing is a new culture developing, even if it has been around for well over 10 years....and we're seeing an old faux culture, namely the mainstream music industry, faltering. Now more than ever, those who play a part in the netlabel/net audio culture need to take it seriously. No one's saying that there's not a place for a DIY attitude and aesthetic, but we are saying that there's also room for professionalism.... and if netlabels step up, then we'll give them their deserved shine. The importance of netlabel audio and CC licensed content is bigger than just music. It's about copyright, file-sharing, public domain and the future of art and culture. For outsiders to take it seriously, a good number from within need to do likewise to prove that extending copyright and applying DRM is not the way to go. To prove that opening up creative licensing is the correct way to go.




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Poster: kaneel Date: Dec 4, 2007 1:28am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Can you explain to me how you pick something from THIS:
http://blocsonic.com/blog/net_audio_releases_for_the_week_of_november_29th_2007

Thats not really "caring", it's posting many releases at the same time (more than 30? wtf...) and it doesn't even say the genre of the releases.

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 4, 2007 5:38am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

That is a new release list... nothing more. Check my releases.

Thanks for attacking my site personally though.

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Poster: kaneel Date: Dec 4, 2007 5:51am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Damn, people on internet should feel less "attacked".

"we are saying that there's also room for professionalism.... and if netlabels step up, then we'll give them their deserved shine"

And I just requestion a lot the professionalism into just gathering all the releases into one post with not much words about it.
How do I know I want to click on this or that url?

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 4, 2007 6:04am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

You're picking on a MINOR feature of the site. Please DO check my releases, because THAT is the heart of the project.

Again I say, when you come up with a way to collect the information I do in the lists in a more professional manner, then please let me know and I'll redirect blocSonic users to your listing.

I find nothing unprofessional about my release lists.




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Poster: kaneel Date: Dec 4, 2007 6:25am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Checked and finally, it's indeed more useful than just this long list of urls.
Remind me of the defunct ko_lo project back in 2003 or so.

Though back in this time, there were so few netlabels that it was easier to make a choice and now, with the amount of what is released for free everyday on internet on netlabels OR independently, I wonder if making such compilations isn't missing many other things around...

The list is actually the first part of your website I've seen by googling around some words like "netlabels" and I completly failed at understanding the point of it all.

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 4, 2007 7:04am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Well, thanks for giving the site a further study. It's appreciated. Though your initial comments weren't for nothing. It set a fire under me to update my ruby script which scrapes the feeds. I've come up with a plan to include not only genre or keywords(in the case of Archive.org), but also a small thumbnail of the cover. The listings will be much improved thanks to your input.

Peace
Mike


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Poster: kaneel Date: Dec 4, 2007 7:08am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

And as you seem to care about showing the "releases" as more important than the "lists", maybe considering the "releases" to be shown at first should do a better job :/

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 4, 2007 10:54am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

If you look at every blog post at blocSonic, it features the most recent netBloc release at the time of the posting. So yeah, the releases DO weigh more than the lists do. Do you not see that cover next to the list? The one that says "Current netBloc"? That is a release.

Anyway... this isn't about blocSonic... it's about the Thinner discussion. So let's move on.

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 4, 2007 5:40am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Not to mention that is an automatically generated list from various feeds. If there was genre information in the feeds, I would have included it. I've merely centralized what you can find at Jamendo via their search engine and what can be found here at the archive, via their new release feed. In neither case can you have a quick overview of what's new. Believe it or not, my mere list is doing a service. Tell me where else you can find a complete listing from both sites?

Sorry, it is caring. If I could have included more relevant information (eg. Genre), I would have.


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Poster: kaneel Date: Dec 4, 2007 5:45am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

I requestion a lot the fact that people would want to read it.

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Poster: blocSonic Date: Dec 4, 2007 5:59am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

You can go ahead and "requestion" all you want. I found a need for it and so do others. If you don't, that's your prerogative, no skin off my back. Again, I say, before judging blocSonic for that one feature, check the netBloc compilations and how they're distributed. Check our "Randomizer", if you want to randomly discover new netlabel music. Check our Free Music Guide. Be sure to return, because that's only the beginning. Also, I'll be releasing, netBloc Vol. 10 tomorrow. Check it out if you'd like.

No... you're right, I don't care. That's why I invest a good part of my week trying to bring unique content to my visitors. Trying to shine the spotlight on the many artists/labels I have thus far, and will continue to do so in the future.

Good day to you.

Peace
Mike



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Poster: Mikel Aramendia Date: Dec 3, 2007 1:59pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Im forced to write in order to give my support to Thinner and generally "Netlabels Who Care" because its OBVIOUS that we have to make efforts in demand quality works.

Superficialy, for somebody strange to netlabels music wich is distributed freely lack of some reliabilty. Netlabels curators, apart from the comunity-creativity-romantic aspect, have to put efforts in the whole appearance of them and the technical aspects.

Maybe im naive (truly i dont believe so), but i interpret the "Netlabels who care" as an appreciation/highlight of someones work based both in subjective as and objective aspects. This is something must be done, give our support and trust to netlabels who care (about us, not about themselves...) for the music theyre offering us.

I think this kind of thread does again no bennefit to spreading reliability in netlabels.

Defintely, quality makes the (big) difference.

Mikel
http://www.inq-mag.com

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Poster: ElectroSound Date: Dec 4, 2007 1:17am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

-> to ALL: don't be so serious please!

we are all in one litle glass, making storm here :)

best regards, netaudio.ru

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Poster: david turgeon Date: Dec 3, 2007 1:40pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

i kind of understand the gist of what thinner is trying to say but the wording is undiplomatic at best. it's mostly very pretentious.

it's also not very credible for a netlabel to go around & decide "who is a good netlabel" & who isn't. it's hard to even see what real criterion they really have to decide who makes the cut. it reeks a bit of "private club" mentality, i suppose.

on the other hand it seems to me that this sort of endeavour (more professionalism, reaching for new audiences, etc.) is inevitable. there is also a growing need to "cut through the crap" because indeed there is far too much stuff being released through netlabels for anyone but the initiated to find their way through even a tenth of it. now, is thinner's way the right way to get there, i wouldn't tend to think it is. but the fact is, the point needs to be addressed.

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Poster: david turgeon Date: Dec 3, 2007 1:53pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

(just to say the "undiplomatic wording" i talk about in the post above refers to thinner's original blog post & NOT this recent reply. i posted the above at the same time as thinner's reply so i wanted to clear up any possible confusion.)


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Poster: Thinner/Autoplate Date: Dec 3, 2007 1:47pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

hello camomille,

i appreciate your comment about the series (wondering why you didn't post it as a response on our blog?) and like to start a conversation about it. i see that you don't understand my intentions, which is not a good thing, so i'd like to explain my point of view in hope to make you understand better what this series is about and how i define my criterias.

first off, it is about my experience of the past years working in that field. on the micro scale, when talking to people, i received many times negative if not ignorant feedback about netlabels. the impression is that most netlabels do not care much about their output, which makes it many times an inferior experience in the aspect of how music is presented and received. on the macro scale, despite the netlabel culture being over 10 years old, you will still find many people not being aware of it. the netlabel thing serves in the media only as a temporary phenomena, with no nationwide print magazines (to my knowledge) featuring the releases of a scene that counts of 1000 active labels on a monthly basis. the word and promotion is mainly spread by blogs.

so, i find that the netlabel scene has a big image problem and my intention is to feature the highlights, netlabels who care about how they are received and what listening experience they offer to their fans. it's about immersion and enjoyment. i find there are many excellent netlabels around and i want to help people discovering or revisiting the one or other of them. so you will only find vital netlabels getting highlighted for the work they do.

therefore, i'm asking myself "what makes a good netlabel?". in my point of view (you're welcome to disagree), it makes it a _good_ netlabel when it unites objective quality criteria (comparable features, such as logic filenames, high bitrates, mastering) AND certain individual label aesthetics (path-dependent development by focusing on a particular genre). netlabels who qualify at BOTH criteria will be introduced. of course,

there're also netlabels who might not have a nice and good looking website, no graphic covers at all or release random music which is nevertheless excellent. these netlabels certainly don't -automatically- suck - not at all.

however, i will only be highlighting the best and make no compromises.

now, in response to your only (!) vague argument in your posting, i have some comments.

you relate to my introduction posting on the series at thinnerism.cc and imply "to say that netlabels who don’t master their releases professionally, who don’t have shiny flash covers and generally feature talent not good enough for a recording contract, that’s horrible." and would be "A big slap in the face to the long-established netlabels like miasmah, kahvi, mono, kikapu and so on."

- why would this be a big slap in the face of miasmah, monotonik, kahvi, mono and so on?
- it has at no point been said that netlabels, who don't have shiny flash covers are horrible.
- people prefer mastered releases over unmastered, therefore it qualifies as a criteria for the series. are you saying that mastering is an insignificant aspect of a release?

a thesis you point out is: "Netlabels strive on quality and community." I would be interested in your understanding of "community". does a community mean having a forum on a website? or touring around with other netlabels? or establishing a netlabel system-inherent listener base? I'd like to hear you elaborating on your point to make sure I get what you say correctly.

you also write: "Historically netlabels started in the tracking scene as groups of people who wanted to share good quality music for free, DIY style. Now it hasn’t changed !" while i agree to the historic part, i ask you about netlabels who have started to introduce paid downloads, like sinergy networks, clever music or achipel. this is not sharing on a free basis anymore. are these examples no longer netlabels as per your definition?

you also write :"implying that if you don’t spend horrendous amounts of time mastering, making shiny actionscript covers and writing immense press releases is what makes your netlabel ‘ a netlabel who doesn’t care ‘ , then thinner, you have no fucking idea what the netlabel scene is about."

the first netlabel highlighted, fragment, does neither produce shiny actionscript covers nor write immense press releases. still i have chosen to present it cause it's the overall impression of their offering.

it really baffles me to read such hostile, insulting comments.

for you being around for a long time i would have expected a mature criticism instead of foul crying.

thank you and best regards,
sebastian (thinnerism.cc)




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Poster: Martin Dot Date: Dec 3, 2007 2:47pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

I also don't think it is good to go around saying "this particular label is good" or "this one is bad".

What makes a good netlabel? There are no criteria. Each netlabel tries to be good in it's own way - and that's what great about the whole idea. Each netlabel has personality. The listeners judge, but they judge music, the graphics, the website... But no one, I say no one should ever compare netlabels. Each one of them is unique. And they have rights to exist and to exist in this way.

So what about a 'good' netlabel again?

I think that a better word here is a 'major' netlabel.
A major netlabel doesn't necessarily have 234 releases of greatest sound quality and fantastic graphics.

A netlabel which cares for:
-the graphics to be nice
-the website where information is easy to find
-the quality of music (in both the artistic and technical point of view)
can surely be called a major netlabel. But there is more.
I'll give an example personally:
to love releasing music with all your heart. That makes your netlabel good.

Sorry for my not-so-neat english. I'm almost stand-sleeping right now.

Now go away from this subject and release more great music! :)

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Poster: camomille Date: Dec 3, 2007 4:33pm
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

Hey,

Firstly, I agree with you that the netlabel scene isn't quite well known, and someone who happens upon it might get a bit scared of the number of netlabels let alone releases. And yeah, it might happen that someone falls on a specialised netlabel that releases 64kbps noise music and might think its crap or unlistenable when he was in fact a fan of deep house. Which i guess might happen a lot. But that's what the netlabel world is all about, hence my disagreement about releasing artists that could just as easily release professionally. Not only is the netlabel world big but its the perfect place for artists to experiment, try stuff out and plainly have fun, since there is no commercial repurcussions, hence the big number of netlabels that release uneasy or akward music. And that's far from being a bad thing.
And i have to agree that concepts as far as graphic design, style and quality, for me, need to be consistent, but to imply that you need mastering to be a ' good ' label or ' the best and make no compromises ', now that's a faulty assumption. You know full well that mastering costs money to be very good, or a very very very passionate sound designer to work a few hours on something that he will see no money of. And you know full well also that mastering jobs aren't around every corner.
My whole problem with this is not that you feature good netlabels, is that you seperate them. You might take thinner and your affiliates as labels who care because you seem to put a hell of a lot of effort and time into it, but not all netlabels have a team of 7 working, it's all pretty much one person managing artists, sites, releases, graphics, press, so on and so forth. And since all of us pretty much have jobs and lives, our netlabels are our hobbies. We're absolutely passionate about them, but i guess we're all pretty much stuck with time, you know ?

-why would this be a big slap.
Well to me those labels are a big part of the history of the netlabel culture. To my knowledge, neither do miasmah, mono, kikapu, kahvi, or any of the ' big 10 ' let's say, master their releases. Some have different aesthetic concepts, some don't care much. Knowing this about them, they will never be featured in your ' netlabels who care ' column, but they are in fact, the netlabels who cared first, who still care and have been part of the evolution of the scene. Which is why i feel akward about your take on ' those who don't care' ' and those who do '. Kahvi, with more than 200 releases, in your criteria, would probably be at the bottom of the list, but we all know, that there is not a single netlabel out there that has such a wide audience, who releases up and coming artists, take risks on artists because they believe its the right thing to do, and release so consistently.
- mastering
i never said it was unsignificant, its actually pretty cool to hear releases from a netlabel who can afford to somehow get their releases mastered. It's a +. That's it. Like shiny flash covers ;)

The community bit is a bit of slap towards what i called for years ' Thinner&friends '. Everyone knows that thinner thinks netlabels suck if i can bastardize.
This right here is a community, scene.org, irc, myspace, whatever. It's getting bigger and bigger. And we need to be presented as a whole, not individual netlabels doing there thing and not caring about the next. And most netlabels do interlink or when the opportunity arises, we do point towards what we like. And yes that's what you're doing with ' netlabels who care ' but with such a lack of tact, it loses all pertinence.

I'm sorry you felt insulted, but i absolutely couldn't let this one slide without commenting. The last thing we need in the scene is one of the biggest netlabels being arrogant towards everyone else. ( and i did comment on your site the reply was somehow deleted this morning )

And i agree with one of the above posters, to me, all a netlabel needs to care, is heart.

Edit : forgot this : no i do not thing labels who release commercial mp3s are netlabel, not even close.

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Poster: kaneel Date: Dec 4, 2007 1:31am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

let's all release modules :D

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Poster: ladproject Date: May 17, 2008 9:20am
Forum: netlabels Subject: Re: Thinner and netlabels who care

@camomille
I think you missed the whole point of "netlabels who care" series of posts. Thinnerism is not arrogant, they dont say stuff like "we are the best, the rest sucks" but they do journalism. Thinnerism is just the best (and for the moment: the only) pro blog resource about netlabels scene. I think it's professional equally or more than a paper magazine and it's very interesting for who, like me, follows the netlabels scene since centuries as listener and buzzer (www.buzzmachines.com).

You say "A big slap in the face to the long-established netlabels like miasmah, kahvi, mono, kikapu and so on." Personally, i dont see this slap. Camomille and the netlabels u list are "netlabels who care" and nobody cant say it's not true. I have all your/their catalogues and i love em. Without doubts you/they share fucking great and professional music. If Thinnerism didn't talk about you/them yet is because they dont post so much often, I'm sure of this.

If you don't like new Thinner website design, I agree with you, it sucks, but not aesthetically. All those Flash candies makes it unbrowsable on Firefox for Mac, because of mad cpu usage needed by Flash itself + crappy coded Adobe Flash plugin for Mac/Linux. I like Camomille plain design a lot more by a functional point of view. Btw these are just opinions that dont justify all the hate u put into the first post of this useless thread. This thread could start a civil war and netaudio scene dont really need that...

So stop being a hater and relax :-)

Peace,
eldino

Note. i wrote a lot about Thinnerism and "Netlabel who Cares" inside my blog, the best (pps says) italian resource about netlabels. Here the best links you could be interested in (yeah, im spamming :D):
- IT: http://eldino.wordpress.com/2008/05/09/it-riflessioni-in-compresse-deglutibili-la-scena-netlabel-e-gli-approfondimenti/
- IT: http://eldino.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/it-la-chiusura-della-netlabel-tedesca-1bit-wonder-e-qualche-ulteriore-appunto-della-serie-come-aprire-una-netlabel/
- EN: http://eldino.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/en-netlabels-who-care-some-additions-to-a-recent-thinnerism-post/